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1a. Re: Witchcraft in Germany From: Matthieu Morelle 1b. Re: Witchcraft in Germany From: amanda kupkovic 1c. Re: Witchcraft in Germany From: glenyslivingstone 1d. Re: Witchcraft in Germany From: john colley 1e. Re: Witchcraft in Germany From: john colley 1f. Re: Witchcraft in Germany From: john colley 2. Pagan allowed to stay in Britain after telling Home Office beliefs f From: Tish View All Topics Create New Topic
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RE: WITCHCRAFT IN GERMANY
POSTED BY: "MATTHIEU MORELLE" LUCIFERVULUS SA KAGE@YAHOO.COM.AU LUCIFERVULUS SA KAGE
Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:50 am (PST)
the pope apologized to for all the crimes against humanity they committed? I can't believe that went down very well with the nonbelievers. "I, the pope, apologize, on behalf of the church, for killing more people than world war one and two combined. I apologize for torturing innocent women, not because we believed they were witches, but to instil so much fear into the masses that they would not resist us. I apologise for voting on and editing
"From: Matthieu Morelle
To: "WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Monday, 19 December 2011 5:50 AM
Subject: RE: [WitchesWorkshop] Witchcraft in Germany
the pope apologized to for all the crimes against humanity they committed? I can't believe that went down very well with the nonbelievers. "I, the pope, apologize, on behalf of the church, for killing more people than world war one and two combined. I apologize for torturing innocent women, not because we believed they were witches, but to instil so much fear into the masses that they would not resist us. I apologise for voting on and editing
> their witchcrafty ways:
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"There is magic in the feel of a paddle and the movement of a canoe, a magic compounded of distance, adventure, solitude, and peace."
-Sigurd Olson
"From: Matthieu Morelle
To: "WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:50 AM
Subject: RE: [WitchesWorkshop] Witchcraft in Germany
the pope apologized to for all the crimes against humanity they committed? I can't believe that went down very well with the nonbelievers. "I, the pope, apologize, on behalf of the church, for killing more people than world war one and two combined. I apologize for torturing innocent women, not because we believed they were witches, but to instil so much fear into the masses that they would not resist us. I apologise for voting on and editing
"There is magic in the feel of a paddle and the movement of a canoe, a magic compounded of distance, adventure, solitude, and peace."
-Sigurd Olson
"From: glenyslivingstone
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 20 December 2011 11:18 AM
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Witchcraft in Germany
- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Caroline Tully"
wrote:
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> Germany has been 'rehabilitating' a pile of folks who had been
executed for
> their witchcrafty ways:
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Ummm Hair splitter! grrr.LOL ok satanists by their own definition.Not the real ones.I say,when you see a baptish or evangelist ranting about sin etc we all call them servants of satan.The Prince of lies.
"There is magic in the feel of a paddle and the movement of a canoe, a magic compounded of distance, adventure, solitude, and peace."
-Sigurd Olson
"From: Tish
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 19 December 2011 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WitchesWorkshop] Witchcraft in Germany
To be honest John I don't believe satanists to
be so intolerant at all..it is more that they are I am..
Good and bad in all walks...
Tish
-Original Message-
From: john colley
Date: 19/12/2011 7:25:41 PM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WitchesWorkshop] Witchcraft in Germany
Its called "saying sorry".It does not change the past.What happened then was
a product of those times.Lessons to be learned.Next time a xian starts
crapping on about sin? Burn him! I think that bible bashing xians/baptists
are all satanists.Think on it.Christ taught compassion and tollerance.These
practice intollerance and hatred.Gotta be satanists
"There is magic in the feel of a paddle and the movement of a canoe, a magic
compounded of distance, adventure, solitude, and peace."
-Sigurd Olson
"From: amanda kupkovic
To: "WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Monday, 19 December 2011 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WitchesWorkshop] Witchcraft in Germany
QUESTION? How can someone be (rehabilitated) when they have been "executed"
DEAD
no matter what
they were doing.
"From: Caroline Tully
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 18 December 2011 6:32 PM
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Witchcraft in Germany
Germany has been 'rehabilitating' a pile of folks who had been executed for
their witchcrafty ways:
Pagan woman in polygamous relationship allowed to stay in Britain after
telling Home Office beliefs forbid divorce
By John Hutchinson
Last updated at 7:52 PM on 18th December 2011
Pagan victory: Emily DiSanto stressed her Odinist beliefs forbade her
boyfriend divorcing his wife - and so she should be allowed to stay in the
UK
An American woman who lives with her boyfriend and his wife has avoided
deportation after claiming that their pagan beliefs forbid divorce.
Emily DiSanto was originally told that on the grounds of public morality
which ban polygamous relationships, she would not be granted a Visa to stay
in the UK.
But appealing on the grounds of her right to family life, she has won her
case under Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights.
Miss DiSanto shares the home of Alan and Anne-Marie Caulfield in Eltham,
South East London - and both women have a child by Mr Caulfield.
In what is an extraordinary outcome, Miss DiSanto's lawyer highlighted that
by his client being deported, it would not only affect the well-being of her
own son, but also Mrs Caulfield's son.
The case will no doubt increase pressure on the government to reform human
rights laws, as yet again they have been used to overturn civil servants'
decisions.
All three worship Norse gods, including Odin and Thor, and claim that their
beliefs rule out a divorce between Mr and Mrs Caulfield, who according to
DiSanto's lawyer, no longer have a sexual relationship.
The Home Office dropped its objection on the grounds of bigamy, and Miss
DiSanto made two appeals.
It is thought her success was largely down to the fact that civil servants
could not prove that Miss DiSanto was involved in polygamy.
All under one roof: Miss DiSanto lived with fellow Pagan couple Anne-Marie
and Alan Caulfield in Eltham, south-east London
All change: The Home Office will be pushing for change in its immigration
rules after Emily DiSanto won a case to stay int he UK due to Human Rights'
Speaking to The Sunday Telegraph, Ian Macdonald, QC, president of the
Immigration Law Practitioners' Association said: "There is no law against
threesomes. For many people such a thing may be morally objectionable but it
is not unlawful.
"I think the original decision to cite polygamy as a reason to refuse
permission was probably that of a junior official which, further up the
chain, was recognised to be unsustainable. It would have been kicked out by
any court.
After losing a first appeal, which the Government took into account that
Miss DiSanto, from Chicago, arrived in Britain in 2008 already pregnant with
Caulfield's baby, casting doubt on any intentions to leave in time, DiSanto
made a second appeal.
Meeting point: Most people will be familiar with Stonehenge - a traditional
meeting place for Pagans - but little might be known about Odinist beliefs
which have helped an American woman remain in the UK
Here her lawyers highlighted that family life would be hugely disrupted by
Miss DiSanto being deported, and Upper Tribunal Judges Bernard Dawson and
Catriona Jarvis found favour in her argument.
A Home Office Spokesman told the Sunday Telegraph: "We are disappointed by
the court's decision in this case.
"For too long Article 8 has been used to place the family rights of
immigration offenders above the rights of the British public.
"This is why we will change the immigration rules to reinforce the public
interest in seeing those who have breached our immigration laws removed from
this country."
The Caulfields and Miss DiSanto have declined to comment on the court's
decision.
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