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To: thelema93-l@hollyfeld.orgFrom: nagasiva@luckymojo.com (nigris (333))Subject: Magick and ArtDate: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:42:46 -0800 (PST)49990127 IIIom (also posted to Usenet)in Thelema93-L Email List, TF wrote:#...art...is all symbology, if you study a painting# long enough you can see it's meaning in depth and the depth can# sometimes be incredible.
Studying art is not artistry, it is art appreciation, and thismay be 'all symbology', but artistry is much more than this.# When you do a ritual if you concentrate hard# enough through all the symbology you can see more depth..and that can# sometimes be incredible. When combined these two..well..it's# unbelievable, I believe.
Combining ritual observance with ritual enactment can be aweinspiring.# If for instance..you could just paint what you feel inside..and# show the world the glory you have felt wouldn't that be something? "Magick is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will." - Crowley. I've been considering thisfrom the standpoint of science for a long time and havedeveloped a model within which to understand it.
#...see...it can be done, but only and that is only through# symbology. what is it that we could use a measuring rod to determine whetherit *had* been done (i.e. that someone had expressed exactly whatthey felt)? isn't expression a subjective voice to a subjectiveexperience, without exacting dimensions?
#...is there any of you who would believe# in the power of creation of the artist..a power that is like # the power of the infinite. all mages are artists as well as scientists.# For in philosophy there is always a supreme being who made us..Western fallacious philosophy, perhaps. there is not always aSupreme Being in world cosmologies.
# but where did this supreme being come from?imagined to make sense of the perceivable.# So any thoughts on the power of our own imagination to creation?# Any thoughts on the power of art to express the unexpressable through# symbology? Any thoughts on symbology period? without imagination novelty would never be possible.
Imaginationis the seed of true creation and of the destruction which servesas its basis. we only believe that something is "unexpressable"until we meet with an expression of it. whether we think that awork constitutes "a good expression" is determined by our abilityto appreciate artistic forms (and their elegance) as well as ourtaste or personality.
Symbolism is the language with which the imagination speaks,and the depth and complexity of its lexicon can combine withthe expertise and skill of the artist in the medium ofexpression to inspire all manner of perception in response.DS:# Every true piece of art is a spell, a highly charged talisman.# My introduction to magick was because I was an artist.
I # reached a level of "betweeness" or meditation when I paint. # The world goes away, time becomes distorted, and all that # exists is the "process". (I am gone and only become aware # of the mundane when I "break". It was and is similar to a # ritual. I know I am successful when I realize that the same # "state of mind" is achieved.
(Of course everything under # Will.) My mundane self steps out of the way.I agree that every true artistry is spell and every masterpieceis a talisman. however, I think that the spells of artistry canproduce crude works which hold no value as magical items. atthe same time it may be possible that a masterpiece constructedby a bored artist could prove devoid of any spell.
# Art is a science in that some knowledge of technique must # be achieved to make "great art". this is confused. there are sciences of art which are necessaryin order to produce masterpieces, talismans. art and scienceare Not from what others tell them. That is why I can't stand# taking art classes..hate it.one option available to the student of art (who wishes to learnhir discipline via the constructions of hir culture) is the artclass. within good art classes the science of artistry ispresented to the student in a manner which makes available thetechniques of the ancients for hir apprehension, along with waysto assimilate these techniques.
This is not the only means by which a science of art may beengaged, however. one may also strike out on one's own, eitherwithout support (and thus severely hamstringed in the sensethat one is without the hundreds of years of culture which hassucceeded in developing a complex science already) or aided withthe tools of
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